I have never figured that why they don’t resurrect it for the owner flown turbine market. I’m with Tom and will stay with Beechcraft. Mr. Zimmerman you need to talk to more owners before you comment on a particular plane. I felt qualified to offer an opinion since I flew one for about five years in the early 2000s, but I also felt obligated to go beyond cliches. Wayne Romberg Forked River, New Jersey. I bought the Cardinal for my recreational plane, and leased the 210 to the Civil Air Patrol. The standard tanks carry way more fuel than my bladder can tolerate. Startling Before and After South Korean Plastic Surgery Pictures. In addition to being Editor-in-Chief of Air Facts, John is a Vice President at Sporty’s Pilot Shop, responsible for new product development and marketing. I’ve got some Aztec time and it hauls a good load but it’s just a totally different airplane than a 210. I had many annuals under $1000. It’s called the “Centurion Edition T210.” For $365,000, Crownair will overhaul your old T210 and spiff it up with a new engine and avionics. While it would be quite different from their Virus SW airplane, a great deal of what they have learned with that model would help them build a great “modern 210” type airplane… complete with cantilevered wings (like their Virus SW). Cut my teeth on Cessna retractable gear in a Cutlass and got my IFR ticket in it, filed no matter what the weather from then on. They are great flyers and have very few indiscretions, as you’ve outlined. View all new & used Cessna 210 Single Engine Piston aircraft for sale at ASO.com. My brother and I fly an ‘81 turbo 210N The T210G had a service ceiling of over 30,000 feet, which I never used, but getting over weather was never a problem. It was essentially a Cessna 182B to which was added a retractable landing gear, swept tail, and a new wing. Thanks John. It came complete with the struts that sang when encountering ice. Later he asked where it was and I pointed to it at a 3 o’clock position. The Cessna Centurion 210 is a performance airplane. The Cessna 210 was manufactured in 26 model variants. Did you know that most of the articles at Air Facts are written by readers like you? Great airplane. From the pilot’s perspective, there are also compromises. Crownair Aviation разработал “Centurion Edition” T210, ... Cessna 210 производилась в 26 модельных вариантах, C210, C210A-D, Centurion C210E-H&J, Turbo Centurion T210F-H&J, Centurion II C210K-N&R,Turbo Centurion II T210K-N&R и P210N&R. How much did the vapor-lock fix cost? Nope – didn’t miss nothun’ – and concur wholeheartedly the second time around on all of your points based upon 1500 hours in 1977 T-210M (our first corporate airplane) in the middle 80’s before moving up to TBM 700. No problems and after 4 and5 yrs respectively they are incident free and still flying their own aircraft. Terrible article couldn’t be further from the truth written from ignorance from somebody who apparently doesn’t have much time in the aircraft the Cessna T210M or N Is in a league by itself performance useful load the real true comparison would be more towards a twin Aircraft Even though there are no twin aircraft that have the same useful. Sorry you didn’t like it Rob but I thought it was mostly complimentary. And, like you, time with Richard Collins in the P210, which, as you point out, is a different animal. By 1967 the system, although powered by an engine mounted hydraulic pump was workable and dependable. ^ Crownair Aviation (n.d.). My family and I traveled all over the country in that 210. The Cardinal is by far the sexiest design Cessna produced. It can cover so much of the common travel flight need spectrum with ease. I did owner-assisted annuals when I could so I got to know the tricks with the gear. Regrettably, though, I did not. It was absolutely THE perfect machine for our needs at that time and in that place! Find and Compare CESSNA 210 for sale Also Consider. Hi Bill! Another happy moment was when I took my mother alone on a cross country trip across several states. Is that even legal to take off? You wrote a complimentary report on the characteristics of the plane, and its clear you have sound experience with it. Crownair was formed this year in San Diego, CA. Maintenance is easy on this airplane. These fuel systems had a Left-Right-Off fuel selector (no “Both” setting). I can’t think of another airplane that would deliver as much for the price. Great King equipment package, flight director, HSI, rnav, loran, and storm scope. I have owned a Cessna 210 with three partners for 12 years, three engines, three propellers and two airframes. The TKS deice fluid kept the wing reasonably clean and the airplane stayed steady in the light to moderate turbulence. John My T210G did have an engine failure last year (cause still unknown until the NTSB finishes examining it). So not really a belly landing. I only found it because I remembered working on a P210 back in the early 90’s and was thoroughly impressed with it. ATC was nice, but it was clear that I needed to spend some time in the penalty box while the unbroken line of airliners blew past me. The 210 I flew, a 1980 model with no rear gear doors, boasted a maximum gear speed at the bottom of the yellow arc, so I used the landing gear like a speed brake. Makes me wonder about their SA too. Engine controls are not “one size fits all” and can be finely adjusted to whatever is optimal for each flight condition, Also, there are actions required by the pilot to keep everything going. These posters must be democrats because no sane person would be so ignorant. The post-1982 210’s come with an “improved” fuel system. First, I had the pleasure of flying an honest-to-goodness holding pattern, one of only two I’ve ever flown for real in my 24 years of flying. I didn’t compare it to a twin because it’s just apples and oranges. The early Cessna 210 (210 and 210A) had 4 seats with a Continental IO-470 engine of 260 hp (190 kW). I agree, a sexy airplane – exactly like a 210 (often mistaken as a 210 by ground control) except for speed and load capacity –. Yeah, the turbo added some maintenance cost — primarily overhauling every 1000 hours — but the additional climb performance and speed at altitude paid for it. What a great machine! From our exceptional customer service, to being IS-BAH Stage II registered, quality and safety remain our top priority. Holy moly. What a bloody joke! Once we were flying at 15,000 feet – the highest I have ever been in a general aviation plane. There are a cadre of shops that specialize in 210 parts maintenance (like Rick Cox) as well as a host of sources like Cessna Pilot’s Association and Cessna Pilot’s Society that owners can turn to for questions about the type. Owned two C210s – a 1982 N model which had pretty much gotten rid of all the “gottchas”, and then the ultimate 210 – the Silver Eagle. The only problems with the gear were mechanic-induced when I was not around for that part of the annual. Never chat up a 210 pilot. Crownair Unveils Glass Cockpit-Equipped T210 During AOPA Expo 2008 It's getting harder and harder to come up with the scratch for a new airplane these days... especially for those of us hankering for new airplane capabilities like glass panels and other high-tech accoutrements. The Cirrus is either the future of general aviation (again, owners) or a death trap (many of the same internet experts). I owned two 210s, flew them for over 30 years and 5000 hours. Enjoyed it and flew it for 2500 plus hours. Once I had an instrument rating (later that year) I stopped using the airlines at all. When I was released after four turns in the hold, the controller asked what speed he could expect from me on final. Every airplane model has a personality; some even have a stereotype. The Cessna Pilots Association is a great asset for Cessna owners. Pity they don’t make them anymore. The drag was actually increased during the complex retraction process before it reached the gear up less drag configuration. Aerospace Systems and Technologies offers a TKS technology weeping fluid ice protection system for the Cessna 210, models L, M and N. [6] Crownair Aviation developed a “Centurion Edition” T210, which is a remanufactured aircraft introduced in November 2008 that features a glass cockpit and new engine along with other minor refinements. It would be the perfect fit at the bottom end. Finally, NO…. It looked so cool. The horror stories about maintenance, landing gear, etc. Now retired with 1978 Cardinal FG – I still long for the days and cross-countries high above the Rockies circumventing weather with our StormScope in N4818Y. The fuel system is complicated, turbocharged models need a little extra TLC, and some parts are hard to find. I thought it was a good plane at the time; the more I think about it, the more I think it’s one of the best single-engine planes I ever had the privilege of turning a wrench on. The Cessna 210 was manufactured in 26 model variants. (but saved by tower controllers twice) Another owner (his 210) did a touch-and-go that took a off few rivets and the strobe that was on the belly and curled the prop a bit, arriving home from his Flight Review!! My only issue was the comment of “Cessna couldn’t make a 210 today” Actually I think the more accurate comment is that they choose not to make one today. Great article. ^ FibreGlast Developments Corp (January 2004). Retrieved 2007-10-19. But my friends with their 210s have way more maintenance than I’ve had with my A36 and I’ve found no mission the 210 could do that the A36 couldn’t. Crownair Unveils Glass Cockpit-Equipped T210 During AOPA Expo 2008 Copyright 2011-2021, Sportsman's Market, Inc. Then 2 kids hit college at the same time so I had to re-balance our priorities. And with new 172s selling for over $400,000, it’s easy to imagine a million dollar 210. Great airplanes, unfortunately the FAA saw fit to pull my medical, but that’s another story. Coming into Washington, I kept the power up until three-mile final, then dropped the gear and ten degrees of flaps. Then again; there's the retrofit game... and at AOPA Expo 2008, it was in full swing. Nice job!! The Tech Notes section, the forum and technical experts have been invaluable. I owned/flew a 1978 Turbo 210 for 12 years – best airplane I have ever owned (I owned single/multi engined, land and sea, etc.) I suspect it is all about getting government subsidies. Check out the Centurion Revisited at http://www.centurion-revived.com/. An inexperienced mechanic who misses a minor squawk can create a much bigger problem when one wheel doesn’t come down in flight. You’re response is nonsense. Crownair Aviation developed a “Centurion Edition” T210, which is a remanufactured aircraft introduced in November 2008 that features a glass cockpit and new engine along with other minor refinements. Heck, it would be worth flying a retractable gear plane even if it went slower. Cessna has always been superior in customer support compared all the other manufacturers that’s why they’re still in business So if you can’t afford the Best aT210 M or N don’t buy one You have to pay to play. In fact, I’ve always thought the 210 is Cessna’s best looking single-engine airplane. ... designed, and installed avionics system upgrades on a variety of aircraft •Assisted Crownair and Avidyne Corporation in receiving Supplemental Type Certificate (STC) for retrofit installation of Entegra flight deck in Cessna 210 … It gets off the ground quick and climbs fast. With 26G seats and extra soundproofing, the post-1997 Cessna 172s and 182s have about 25% lower useful loads compared to pre-1986 models. Copyright 2008, Aero-News Network, Inc., ALL Rights Reserved. Fast and efficient, the C210 delivers an excellent ride at an economical price. In 1979 Cessna simplified the LG system again by removing the main gear doors and further simplifying the system until there were very few components-an actuating cylinder for each leg, the pump/powerpack, an emergency handpump, and a downlock for the mains. I suspect it’s the same with the 210 vs. Bonanza debate. The package is aimed at breathing new life into the popular, though aging, fleet of Cessna 210s. I’ve loved the other Cessnas I’ve owned and flown and they did a fine job. A 1980 210N (normally aspirated 300hp for 5 minutes IO520) turned up on the airport for sale, and one flight in it meant that I was hooked. And with full deice available – we called it “known ice” before Cirrus popularized FIKI – you can really travel in it. Once I watched it take off and saw the gear retract. There’s a handful! It was essentially a Cessna 182B to which was added a retractable landing gear, swept tail, and a new wing. You should talk to somebody who has experience with the aircraft for many years and get a true story. Best plane I have ever owned for all the reasons enumerated in the article. I think the Cardinal RG is the best looking plane Cessna ever built. Air Facts was first published in 1938 by Leighton Collins and relaunched in 2011 as an online journal by Richard Collins and Sporty's Pilot Shop. The C210, C210A-D, the Centurion C210E-H&J, Turbo Centurion T210F-H&J, the Centurion II C210K-N&R, the Turbo Centurion II T210K-N&R and the P210N&R. If you’re going to fly straight west from Denver, take a T210. Now I gotta worry about flying near 210s. Perhaps someone will resurrect the 210’s capability in that format. That meant gear up, flaps up, confirm cowl flaps open; then throttle reduced, prop RPM reduced, mixture leaned. It's getting harder and harder to come ... Crownair Unveils Glass Cockpit-Equipped T210 During AOPA Expo 2008 World Record! I think I’d look carefully at one if I were in the market for a 210. With the strut-free high wing, cargo loading was painless. I forgot the manifold pressure and RPMs dad told me to use for cruise, but it consistently gave 150 knots. The Crownair "Centurion Edition" T210 will compete with new manufactured aircraft by offering more payload, faster speeds and more range. The Cessna 210 was manufactured in 26 model variants. Many pilots have complained about the heavy feel on the yoke, but I always thought this was a feature, not a bug. Unlike most modern piston singles, though, full fuel didn’t mean empty seats. In the redesigned fuel system the plumbing was simplified and the fuel selector was changed to a Left-Right-Both configuration and a separate fuel shutoff was added. Mr. Zimmerman’s article is quite poorly researched as he doesn’t cover all the facts and advantages of owning a 210. If I had the need and $$$ I would own a Vitatoe-modified P210. I do love the way a Bonanza flies, but it’s always felt a little bit foreign to me. The 210 was the original “if it fits, it ships” airplane. Anyway – who knows. Could that be a good thing? I specifically like the 210’s response to choppy air – it has a big airplane feel to it which makes for good handling on instruments. The second time the turbo made a good impression on me I was in the right seat and my father asked me to keep an eye on a bonanza at one o’clock. For now, the Centurion flies on as an older but still refined airplane. The accident record shows that quite a few 210s land gear up every year, and while some of those are caused by mechanical failure, many are caused by inattention and poor procedures. Gear was made much more simple and reliable in 79. Visit www.avidyne.com, www.southernstar.aero and www.crownairaviation.com. One of my more memorable rides as an Army Pilot 40 + years ago was several hours in an F-15 backseat flying out of Bitburg AFB in Germany. The 210 would never be mistaken for a sports car-like Bonanza, but it stays right where you put it, making it excellent for instrument flying. I flew with John Frank in his 1967 T210 and we never had any problems with the gear system. Did you know that most of the articles at Air Facts are written by readers like you? Some friends in an Aztec and a 182 couldn’t find a way to make it work, but it was easy in the Centurion. The C206 have maybe kept some of its market, haven’t it? A new owner who approaches annual inspection with a 172 mindset will be quickly disappointed. The FAA-approved maintenance and annuals in Israel were certainly not cheap, but I NEVER had even a minor maintenance issue with the 210. Crownair Aviation разработал “Centurion Edition” T210, ... Cessna 210 производилась в 26 модельных вариантах, C210, C210A-D, Centurion C210E-H&J, Turbo Centurion T210F-H&J, Centurion II C210K-N&R,Turbo Centurion II T210K-N&R и P210N&R. The C210, C210A-D, the Centurion C210E-H&J, Turbo Centurion T210F-H&J, the Centurion II C210K-N&R, the Turbo Centurion II T210K-N&R and the P210N&R. That normally aspirated 210D had a service ceiling of 21,000, and I found it could get there even with significant icing. Air Facts still champions, educates, informs and entertains pilots worldwide with real-world flying experiences. While many pilots obsess about cruise speed or short field takeoff length, I always found the 210’s incredible load-hauling ability to be a breakthrough in performance. In the late 80’s early 90’s, I owned both a 74 Cardinal RG and a 76 T210. See Cessna Pilots Association and the 210 book by John Frank. With no wheels or struts in the way, the view out the window was unparalleled and sightseeing on a long trip was good fun. Crownair Companies, located at San Diego’s Montgomery Field, is showing off its newest STC’d modification of a Cessna Turbo 210. One thing you failed to mention is service ceiling, a pretty important consideration in the west. Composite construction should reduce the manufacturing cost of that beautiful cantilever wing. 0 0 ... 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